Afternoon at the Range
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Afternoon at the Range
Spent another afternoon at the rifle club. Took 3 rifles, 2 Winchester 94s and the 1885 Hi-Wall. (I'd meant to take one of my 16" Trapper 94s, but... apparently, since it wasn't set out, I hadn't planned all that thoroughly)!
I shot the Hi-Wall first to see if the new load changed my grouping or zero from the last trip. Happy to say, that 14 grains of XMP-5744 is perfect in the .32-40. Loads averaged 1469.1 fps behind the 170 RFN in Winchester cases and WLR primers. This is the first time I trimmed all the cases and weighed each charge. Using a balance beam scale, there can still be minute changes in load density, but with an ES of 34fps, SD of 11.5, and AD of 9.9, not too troublesome. From a rested position at 100 yards, I was pleasantly surprised with both my 5 shot group from a clean barrel and then with an additional five shots for a 10 shot group. No scope adjustments necessary to I then shot a ten shot string from each of the .30-30s, 1st one being my 26" bull barrel mdl 94. I initially wanted to shoot for group at the same time, but, with my target in the shadows, a black target with only a red diamond for a bull... frankly, at 100 yards I simply couldn't tell where the little "T" post in the front globe site was on the target. I would say that my chronograph was way off on these, but... the .32-40 load was right in the range QuickLoad predicted... these weren't. I had one round that was very near a squib, but it cleared the bbl and registered a mere 651.2 fps, (unkown cause but some unburnt powder, so must've been a low charge). So, I eliminated it from my calculations. QuickLoad predicted 2267 fps with the 26" bbl.
The load consists of 27.5 grains of RE7, a 150 grain cast of WWs from a Saeco #316 mold with CCI gas-checks, Lyman Alox lube, WLR primers, Winchester cases. From the 26" bbl'd mdl 94 they averaged 2538 fps, with a ES of 200, SD of 73.3 and AD of 67. From the 20" octagon mdl '66 Centennial they averaged 2451.5 fps, with an ES of 168, a SD of 43 and an AD of 27. That was a complete 10-shot string. QuickLoad only predicted a 2167 fps in the 20" bbl.
I will probably drop my powder charge down to the recommended maximum in the Lyman 4th Ed. Cast bullet handbook which is 26.5 grains of RE7 for their predicted 2190 fps. It also happens to be their potentially most accurate load. It's odd that Lyman lists 28 grains as maximum with a 170 grain cast bullet, but only 26.5 for the 150 grain. I'm guessing the difference being that the heavier bullet is showing using a CCI 200 primer and the WLR primer with the 150.
I shot the Hi-Wall first to see if the new load changed my grouping or zero from the last trip. Happy to say, that 14 grains of XMP-5744 is perfect in the .32-40. Loads averaged 1469.1 fps behind the 170 RFN in Winchester cases and WLR primers. This is the first time I trimmed all the cases and weighed each charge. Using a balance beam scale, there can still be minute changes in load density, but with an ES of 34fps, SD of 11.5, and AD of 9.9, not too troublesome. From a rested position at 100 yards, I was pleasantly surprised with both my 5 shot group from a clean barrel and then with an additional five shots for a 10 shot group. No scope adjustments necessary to I then shot a ten shot string from each of the .30-30s, 1st one being my 26" bull barrel mdl 94. I initially wanted to shoot for group at the same time, but, with my target in the shadows, a black target with only a red diamond for a bull... frankly, at 100 yards I simply couldn't tell where the little "T" post in the front globe site was on the target. I would say that my chronograph was way off on these, but... the .32-40 load was right in the range QuickLoad predicted... these weren't. I had one round that was very near a squib, but it cleared the bbl and registered a mere 651.2 fps, (unkown cause but some unburnt powder, so must've been a low charge). So, I eliminated it from my calculations. QuickLoad predicted 2267 fps with the 26" bbl.
The load consists of 27.5 grains of RE7, a 150 grain cast of WWs from a Saeco #316 mold with CCI gas-checks, Lyman Alox lube, WLR primers, Winchester cases. From the 26" bbl'd mdl 94 they averaged 2538 fps, with a ES of 200, SD of 73.3 and AD of 67. From the 20" octagon mdl '66 Centennial they averaged 2451.5 fps, with an ES of 168, a SD of 43 and an AD of 27. That was a complete 10-shot string. QuickLoad only predicted a 2167 fps in the 20" bbl.
I will probably drop my powder charge down to the recommended maximum in the Lyman 4th Ed. Cast bullet handbook which is 26.5 grains of RE7 for their predicted 2190 fps. It also happens to be their potentially most accurate load. It's odd that Lyman lists 28 grains as maximum with a 170 grain cast bullet, but only 26.5 for the 150 grain. I'm guessing the difference being that the heavier bullet is showing using a CCI 200 primer and the WLR primer with the 150.
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Griff,
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
That is some really nice shootin' with that 1885! Be hard to beat that.
Keep us updated on the 30-30 load development.
JBowen
Keep us updated on the 30-30 load development.
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Plus one, interesting reading.
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Re 7 -- another powder on my "don't have/ain't got" list ...
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
This just in !
That Hi Wall is a SHOOTER!
I'm guessing your target camera is a good addition to your shooting bag!
That Hi Wall is a SHOOTER!
I'm guessing your target camera is a good addition to your shooting bag!
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Sounds like a great day
You forgot to post pics of the shootin’ iron. The 26” big barrel ‘94 sounds very compelling. (And I wish I never sold my 26” Canadian Centennial)
You forgot to post pics of the shootin’ iron. The 26” big barrel ‘94 sounds very compelling. (And I wish I never sold my 26” Canadian Centennial)
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Those are excellent groups!
I love the .32-40 in a lever gun or single shot. Just a joy to shoot, and very pleasant on the shooter. Great out to 400 yds. easily, and further if a guy wants to play with them.
I love the .32-40 in a lever gun or single shot. Just a joy to shoot, and very pleasant on the shooter. Great out to 400 yds. easily, and further if a guy wants to play with them.
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Good post & shooting! The Highwall is an interesting rifle
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
I can't recommend them highly enough. It has a feature that allows it to recognize a new hole in the target, even one overlapping another. It simply compares the current target to the previous image stored and, as it flashes between the two, that change becomes quite obvious. With the camera set up about 10 feet from the target, it's literally like you're standing there looking at the target. No eye strain, no trying to see tiny changes in the target. I took a spotting scope with me, but never bothered to set it up. Best thing? My old 9" tablet from a former carrier doesn't need wifi to connect to the camera and display the camera's output up to 300 yards away. Longshot Cameras. They even have a nice little tripod to set your phone or tablet on so viewing is as easy as watching TV!
Griff,
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There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
Griff, which model Longshot are you running? Boy, what a time and step-saver at the range!
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
I clicked on all the various cameras at the link, and all are marked "unavailable"? Seems they're either way behind, or not made anymore?
Pre WWI Marlins and Singleshot rifles!
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Re: Afternoon at the Range
I have the "Marksman" model. it's showing as "unavailable", but Amazon is showing 7 in stock: Longshot Target Camera @ $29 less than I paid for mine.Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:30 amGriff, which model Longshot are you running? Boy, what a time and step-saver at the range!
Going to the bottom of the page and clicking on "Tutorials" you should be able to see several videos on using the app.marlinman93 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:54 amI clicked on all the various cameras at the link, and all are marked "unavailable"? Seems they're either way behind, or not made anymore?
Griff,
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GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!