PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
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PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
This one even works on the .22 magnum cartridge. Details and order info here:
http://www.gunblast.com/Paco-Flatface.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/Paco-Flatface.htm
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
I'm gonna have to get in line for one!
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
OO!!! I see a new tool need for the NAA mini gun
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
I can already imagine the sound of one of those things hitting a rabbit THUUUNK
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Another item on the never-diminishing list of things I NEED to get!
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
OK, gonna be contrary again.
What does that improve? Didn't read Jeff Quinn's article yet, but as soft as that lead nose is, what does it improve? Hmmm? Somebody please 'splain this to me.
And I still haven't got past the fact you gotta beat on a rim fire cartridge with a tool. That scares the pelosi outta me!
Joe
What does that improve? Didn't read Jeff Quinn's article yet, but as soft as that lead nose is, what does it improve? Hmmm? Somebody please 'splain this to me.
And I still haven't got past the fact you gotta beat on a rim fire cartridge with a tool. That scares the pelosi outta me!
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Joe,J Miller wrote:OK, gonna be contrary again.
What does that improve? Didn't read Jeff Quinn's article yet, but as soft as that lead nose is, what does it improve? Hmmm? Somebody please 'splain this to me.
And I still haven't got past the fact you gotta beat on a rim fire cartridge with a tool. That scares the **** outta me!
Joe
If you had read the article, you would know that with this tool, you beat on nothing. Just as with our handgun bullets, a blunt nose with a wide meplat does more tissue damage than does a roundnose bullet.
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Jeff,Jeff Quinn wrote:Joe,J Miller wrote:OK, gonna be contrary again.
What does that improve? Didn't read Jeff Quinn's article yet, but as soft as that lead nose is, what does it improve? Hmmm? Somebody please 'splain this to me.
And I still haven't got past the fact you gotta beat on a rim fire cartridge with a tool. That scares the **** outta me!
Joe
If you had read the article, you would know that with this tool, you beat on nothing. Just as with our handgun bullets, a blunt nose with a wide meplat does more tissue damage than does a roundnose bullet.
I understand about wide meplats vs round nose bullets. But although that .22 Mag bullet is more or less a round nose, it is a hollow point with soft lead exposed. Would not this soft lead expand regardless it's shape? It would seem so to me.
Anyway, I'll go read the article now that my plans for this afternoon have been scuttled.
Alrighty then, I read the article. So you don't beat on the .22 mags you chop off it's nose. Okeee Dokeeee.
Joe
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Joe,
I can see this as a way to make cheaper and more available FMJ .22 Mags viable game loads.
I can see this as a way to make cheaper and more available FMJ .22 Mags viable game loads.
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Hobie
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
I think I want one. Next, how about a tool to cut a little bit of the nose off of the FMJ 5.56 rounds. The FMJ rounds are cheaper, and doing to them what this tool does to a .22 sounds ideal to me.
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
FMJ 5.56mm bullets have an exposed lead base. Cutting the jacket off at the nose leaves both ends of the bullet core exposed, and risks the possibility of the core shooting through the jacket, leaving the jacket stuck in the bore.piller wrote:I think I want one. Next, how about a tool to cut a little bit of the nose off of the FMJ 5.56 rounds. The FMJ rounds are cheaper, and doing to them what this tool does to a .22 sounds ideal to me.
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Good point. I've made it myself before...Jeff Quinn wrote:FMJ 5.56mm bullets have an exposed lead base. Cutting the jacket off at the nose leaves both ends of the bullet core exposed, and risks the possibility of the core shooting through the jacket, leaving the jacket stuck in the bore.piller wrote:I think I want one. Next, how about a tool to cut a little bit of the nose off of the FMJ 5.56 rounds. The FMJ rounds are cheaper, and doing to them what this tool does to a .22 sounds ideal to me.
There are rounds like the Dynapoint that are much cheaper than the premium rounds like those loaded with the 30 gr. TNT, as much as $9-10 a box cheaper. I have some Remington SPs that I got for the outrageous price of $70 for 500 (yeah, outrageous then!). They might benefit from this. I see it as a bigger boon to the revolver shooters.
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
I WANT ONE!!!! How do I go about ordering a Long and Long Rifle tool???
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Jeff,Jeff Quinn wrote:FMJ 5.56mm bullets have an exposed lead base. Cutting the jacket off at the nose leaves both ends of the bullet core exposed, and risks the possibility of the core shooting through the jacket, leaving the jacket stuck in the bore.
Isn't that also a likely occurrence if the nose of a .22 WMR FMJ gets snipped off?
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Could be, Doc, but I have only used it on hollowpoint and softpoint ammo.Doc Hudson wrote:Jeff,Jeff Quinn wrote:FMJ 5.56mm bullets have an exposed lead base. Cutting the jacket off at the nose leaves both ends of the bullet core exposed, and risks the possibility of the core shooting through the jacket, leaving the jacket stuck in the bore.
Isn't that also a likely occurrence if the nose of a .22 WMR FMJ gets snipped off?
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Interesting, thats some thing I haven't thought about, have a HANNED flat pointer for use on FMJ military rounds , and have shot darn near 1k modified 6.5 sweede stuff through the 96, will have to pay more attention to the rounds when finished
Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
How do I go about ordering one of these tools????? TIA
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Click on the link in the first post.1894cfan wrote:How do I go about ordering one of these tools????? TIA
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Jeff Quinn wrote:Click on the link in the first post.1894cfan wrote:How do I go about ordering one of these tools????? TIA
Jeff,
I did click on the link and it just took me to the GunBlast write-up. I must be blind 'cause I didn't see any info on how to order.
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I might be mistaken, but I believe that tool was the brain-child of the late Mr. Alan Taylor, the father of Jim Taylor, a regular here.Dave James wrote:Interesting, thats some thing I haven't thought about, have a HANNED flat pointer for use on FMJ military rounds , and have shot darn near 1k modified 6.5 sweede stuff through the 96, will have to pay more attention to the rounds when finished
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Mr. 1894cfan, from the text of the review:
"To order this dandy little AT System Flatface Tool Kit, send a check to:
Paco Kelly
P O Box 1170
Cortaro, AZ 85652"
Mr. Hudson, from the text of the review:
"Now, Paco has invented a tool that is based upon one designed by Alan Taylor many years ago, the cuts the bullet nose instead of reforming it by impact. "
"To order this dandy little AT System Flatface Tool Kit, send a check to:
Paco Kelly
P O Box 1170
Cortaro, AZ 85652"
Mr. Hudson, from the text of the review:
"Now, Paco has invented a tool that is based upon one designed by Alan Taylor many years ago, the cuts the bullet nose instead of reforming it by impact. "
Jeff Quinn
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Is this tool available? If so, how do I get one?
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
SO okay I have Paco's Acurizer/Nasti Nose. I have no problem whacking on .22's to produce a flat meplat. Or full wadcutter. Wicked hollow point.
In fact I rather enjoy the pleasant diversion of whacking on 22's.
Imagine my delight when I see Paco's AT gizmo for the .22 WMR. I love it. But, tell me - does it do anything to other .22's that the Acu-rizer cannot?
In fact I rather enjoy the pleasant diversion of whacking on 22's.
Imagine my delight when I see Paco's AT gizmo for the .22 WMR. I love it. But, tell me - does it do anything to other .22's that the Acu-rizer cannot?
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
READ. THE. THREAD.
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I haven't used either of Paco's tools. I have used the method Marshall Stanton of beartoothbullets.com describes. By blunting the nose of a .22LR with a file, I punched holes holes about 1" in diameter through a metal pizza pan . As mentioned here or at gunblast, using the file is slow--but cheap. Wide meplat hits harder.
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Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
This is for Paco: I just got my SShort sizing set. It looks like a work of art! Can I actually use it? Just kidding, but it does look like a work of art. I can't wait till I receive the Long Rifle accurizer and the rim checker That is going to be awsome! Thanks. Robb Simer
Re: PACO KELLY'S New AT System Flatface Rimfire Tool...........
Would there be any problems shooting PACO modified flat nosed .22LR ammo through a suppressor?
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