Marlin XLR 410 Shotgun

[bigtheno]

Hello all!

This may be a stupid question but I figured I'd ask it anyway. I have a Marlin XLR 410 shotgun but I was just curious if it would be possible to shoot a 45 colt from it? I know its a smooth bore so why would I want to but I figured I'd ask anyway. Thanks

[buckeyeshooter]

Shotgun is 410 bore, 45 colt is .452. Not a good idea---- could be a KA BOOM!

[AJMD429]

Shotgun is 410 bore, 45 colt is .452. Not a good idea---- could be a KA BOOM!

Unfortunately the 410 slugs are so wimpy vs. the 45 Colt even in a light 'cowboy' load, that there's little one can do to get a solid projectile downrange with a 410 that packs a punch.

...unless perhaps one got some brass shotshells and loaded them up good and hot with a cast 41 caliber bullet of some sort... ...but unsure where to get load data for THAT...

[Rusty]

If you do a search online there are a lot of people out theretrying to make .410 s better slug shooters. One idea I haven t heard results fron was putting a 180 grain .357 slug in a standard shot cup.

[Old Ironsights]

I have been working on .410 "super slugs" for .410 levers for quite some time. It's been a challenge. When I finally, someday, get more than a half a day off I'll be back at it.

But do do some google fu on .410 slugs. There are some interesting pages out there.

Another option is to just have someone bore it out to .444 or .452 so you can shove other things into it. (the marlin .410 is just their .444 with a .410 smoothbore...)

Opening it up to a .444 cylinder bore is obviously going to open your pattern a good bit, but probably not enough to really matter at .410 ranges.

[AJMD429]

I'm surprised one of the high-performance ammo companies like Buffalo Bore hasn't come out with a 410 slug load.

[gamekeeper]

I found this interesting...http://mcb-homis.com/bren/bren.htm

[AJMD429]

I found this interesting...http://mcb-homis.com/bren/bren.htm

114 grains at 1,865 fps is about like a pretty hot 32-20 'Modern Rifle Only' load using a similar-weight bullet. Not bad, but it still seems like a 410 could be made to do better than that, even. Of course some would rightly point out "if you want a rifle, get a rifle" etc., (but they just don't want the rest of us to have any fun ).

[gamekeeper]

I wouldn't mind a few .410 slug loads when out in the woods squirrel hunting with my S/B
Cooey just in case a fox that had escaped Naths attention came my way..
Unfortunately our stupid gun laws say not until I've jumped through even more hoops can I even buy some and then my local firearms officer says, NO HUNTING WITH THEM..

[AJMD429]

"stupid gun laws"

There ought to be a one-word synonym for that phrase, since there are no other kinds of gun laws.

[Bruce Scott]

If you do a search online there are a lot of people out theretrying to make .410 s better slug shooters. One idea I haven t heard results fron was putting a 180 grain .357 slug in a standard shot cup.

Like Hoening:
http://www.hoeningbigboresouth.com/index.html

[hfcable]

anybody tried these?

they sound interesting:

http://www.paraklesetechnologies.com/pr ... asp?cat=13

" 410 168 grain HOLLOWPOINT 3" slug, box of 15 Details

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[hfcable]

If you do a search online there are a lot of people out theretrying to make .410 s better slug shooters. One idea I haven t heard results fron was putting a 180 grain .357 slug in a standard shot cup.

Like Hoening:
http://www.hoeningbigboresouth.com/index.html

this is good. i was previously working on similar using the all brass 410 shells esp to work in the 45/410 contender barrels. couldnt find time to work on it though.

[Nath]

Interesting.

Not got around to testing these yet myself!



N.

[gamekeeper]

Hey Nath, keep me posted...

[Nath]

Hey Nath, keep me posted...

Not got a 410

N.

[gamekeeper]

I think my local dealer has a Norica B/A three shot going cheap, I'll ask him about price, he couldn't get it to load three shells till I showed him how..

[Nath]

Sooner havve a 9410,,,to many pennies though

N.

[3leggedturtle]

Interesting.

Not got around to testing these yet myself!



N.

@#$%^%$@# A!! Couldn't you just get a dozen or so small peen hammer's and take the heads off and load them. Looks like something we would load over 3-4 firecrackers in a piece of pipe to see how far a big of a splash we could get on the lake.

[Nath]

If INC they are around 200gr. One day they may be handy!

N.

[Old Ironsights]

Back home for 40 hrs... here's some thoughts/pics.

#1: be careful out there when working up heavy loads:
(No, I won't give out the load. Suffice it to say I was using 2400 and a Farina buffer.)


That one cost me an Extractor lightly embedded in my hand and a few drops of blood.

Cheap fix to the Rossi/Marlin clone, but a solid reminder.

That said:

Shells:

.410 brass vs .444 Brass:

Note that your odds of blowing the web/balloon head out of the .444 brass is close to nill if you are running a .444 cylinder-bore. Ditto the .410 Brass "Hull". Problem with both the .410 Brass & the .444 Brass is the ID of the Brass is greater than the OD of .410 slugs... so you would have to play with your chamber/bore ratios a bit when re-boring.

Foster-type Slug Development:


An attempt:


I'm not as keen on foster/hollow-base cast slugs right now. The base cavity is really hard to cast well. I'm looking more toward an attached drag-tail like presented by Nath.

Much (most) of this work was done back before Indiana allowed Pistol Caliber Carbines for Deer Hunting. It got mostly back-burnered when I could use my .357. It's still a Project in the stack, but right now I have no time.

[Nath]

Excellent OI.

I come frome a slightly different approach power wise.

I would be after a small game/medium game getter but only to 50yds,,,1300-1400fps.

Hopefully the componants would not get too stressed then.

N.

[Old Ironsights]

I was working on the 150lb medium game theme. However it pans out I'd like to see a 150yd/6moa load that would work out of 99% of 410 tubes...