50-110 data

[Mike8623]

Can anyone recommend a good loading book with a lot of data on the Winchester 50-110-450 smokeless loadings........also the 45-70

[BigSky56]

The only book I know of that has both is The Winchester Lever Legacy by Snooky Williamson any current load manual will have 45-70 data. danny

[Mike D.]

The .50-110 was originally loaded using 300 grain Express bullets in the 2.4" case The load you are referring to was the .50-100-450, a cartridge that was originally loaded using 100 grs of BP and a .450 gr bullet. Less powder in the case to accommodate the heavier bullet.

[457121]

50 Alaskan data from Hodgdon is safe for any modern Browning/Winchester 45-70 that has been converted to 50-110. since the 50-110 case is 2.4" and the Alaskan 2.1" pressure will be slightly less. i have used H4198 and IMR 3031 in my loads for my converted Browning. my favorite powder is 3031 as it fills the case better. my rifle likes 70.0gr of 3031 with a 450gr. LFN gc in Starline cases for 1975 fps. i have a custom mould that copied the profile of the old Lyman 512138 (original Lyman mould for 50-110 @ 425gr.) but having added a gc shank which fall at 475gr. and use the same 70.0gr 3031 charge. i also have used a 580gr. LFN from 500 NE with 62.0 gr of 3031 or 53.0gr of H4198 for 1675-1700fps but it was brutal.

[Swampman]

The 50-110 is best fired with blackpowder. It's just too big for smokeless.

[457121]

i would disagree. IMR 3031 fills the case perfectly without fillers.

[kid_couteau]

Ya wont catch this kid pulling the trigger on this one in smokeless.

Kid

[Mike8623]

Well folks, I've got my receiver, done the conversion so it will feed 50-110, I'm sanding on the receiver right now going to rust blue it all once all of it is done. I've got a new green mountain barrel in 50 cal..........I still have to chamber, thread and cut all the dovetails, extractor notch and the groove on the bottom..........then I'm going to half round the barrel just ahead of the foernd cap(I'll farm that out, as I sold my lather). Oh the wood has all been refinished and glassed, repairs made. I even sewed a leather butt pad to fit the curved rifle butt, fit inside with recoil reducing pads. Got my dies coming.............cases and bullets already here.........so little by little my winter project is coming along......it will be ready to take to Montana this spring........got my targets already set up out to 300 yards...........which is far enough for me.........Oh I also bought that book that was recommended...........a wealth of info there...........so me and my dogs will be sitting in the sun by the camp fire April working up loads for my rifle and watching the last of the snow melting, waiting for a Moose or Grizz to wonder by..........what a way to spend the summer. I want to thank all that gave input. Life is good.

[BigSky56]

Mike sounds like a good project are you coming up for the spring bear hunt lot of bears in region1. Also AA5744 powder would do well in the 50-110. danny

[Mike8623]

Well I see you are in Lincoln County...........I have a place outside of Lincoln, the city. I used to hunt a lot when I was younger, but now I mostly watch the critters. I have a friend that drives over from Hamilton and hunts, but at my age the campfires sure feel good. I spend about 8 months a year there. It is just me and my dogs, it is always an adventure. We walk a lot, you never know what will pop up. anyway I will head that way when it looks like I can get up to my place.

Again thanks to all who offerered inspiration.

[firecaptain]

50 Alaskan data from Hodgdon is safe for any modern Browning/Winchester 45-70 that has been converted to 50-110. since the 50-110 case is 2.4" and the Alaskan 2.1" pressure will be slightly less. i have used H4198 and IMR 3031 in my loads for my converted Browning. my favorite powder is 3031 as it fills the case better. my rifle likes 70.0gr of 3031 with a 450gr. LFN gc in Starline cases for 1975 fps. i have a custom mould that copied the profile of the old Lyman 512138 (original Lyman mould for 50-110 @ 425gr.) but having added a gc shank which fall at 475gr. and use the same 70.0gr 3031 charge. i also have used a 580gr. LFN from 500 NE with 62.0 gr of 3031 or 53.0gr of H4198 for 1675-1700fps but it was brutal.

To resserect an old thread, I just took delivery of a Turnbull conversion of a 71 to 50-110. Are you really shooting 70 grains of 3031? The data he provided for me starts at 54 and ends at 64.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

That does seem a bit heavy for fitting under a 450 grain LFN. I don't shoot 50-110 but I might take a look at that in QuickLoad and see what it says. Do you know the water capacity of your cases on average?

[firecaptain]

I found that 62 grains shoots very well in my gun. 63 and 64 start to open up and you can feel the recoil. I am just curious.

[firecaptain]

A pic to post

[457121]

Back from the dead, eh? Well i would certainly stick with Turnbull's data. I did alot of shooting and using the micrometer on cases. One thing you are going to run into on a 50-110 is nobody has the exact chamber specs like a SAAMI accepted cartridge. Reamers are going to be different. In the time this post was last active i have been using alot of RL-7 and two new moulds from Accurate Mold. The 51-450C and the 51-320E are the mould numbers.

[firecaptain]

Would you mind sharing your RL 7 loads with me?

[457121]

I'll dig out my Reloading Log Book in the next couple days

[buckeyeshooter]

I have a book bought at least 15 years ago called Big Bore Rifles. It has a complete chapter on the 50-110 and both smokless and black loading info. Problem is the book is in my bookcase in Ohio and I am working out of the USA until March.
If you can find a copy of this book you will have what you want.

[firecaptain]

I'll dig out my Reloading Log Book in the next couple days

Thank you, I'll be looking for it.

[457121]

Here's a few RL-7 loads I've played with using the Accurate Molds 51-450C and 51-320E:
All loads with Starline brass
56.0 gr. RL-7 with 450gr. Accurate Mold bullet for 1910 fps
58.0 gr. RL-7 with 320gr. Accurate Mold bullet for 2010 fps
46.0 gr. RL-7 with 320gr. Accurate Mold bullet for 1540 fps (plinker load)
I'll give you some other as well. To duplicate the old smokeless Winchester High Velocity Express load of 300gr. bullet @2220 fps i used the NEI #375A and the Accurate 320E with 64.0 gr. H4198 or IMR4198, or 65.0gr RL-7. Now discontinued RL-12 also works well but my supply is dwindling. As an aside, just for reference/comparision purposes, looking at Hodgdon's pressure data for the 50 Alaskan (50-110 case cut from 2.4" to 2.1") 62.0gr of H4198 and a 435gr. LFN cast bullet is 35,500 CUP. A 525gr. LFN cast bullet with 55.0gr of H4198 is 34,800 CUP. If you want to talk 50-110's send me a PM.