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This article - http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/05/11/le ... mmunition/ - makes the 'case' for "banning lead ammunition", but the author seems to be oblivious to the FACT that nearly all the "lead" exposure shooters have is from the PRIMER, not the bullet.
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I didn't read the article because I've read others and they are all pretty much the same regurgitated leftist propaganda.

Banning lead bullets has nothing to do with health concerns, it just another way to stop normal people from shooting. Make it too expensive or too hard to find ammo for the old shooter and people just quit shooting. That's all there is to it.

Considering lead exposure from primers ... well just quit shooting in poorly ventilated indoor shooting ranges. I do not know of any one with a high lead level that shoots outdoors.

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He also forgets to mention that there are ways to remove lead from the body. The same organic compounds which are used over the counter to hold potassium in a form which allows it to be absorbed will scavenge other metal ions as they are removed by micturation.
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They also don't understand that if the have copper plumbing, they are getting lead that leaches from the solider. Especially if it's an older home.
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Ray,

They have leftists in Texas too .... sadly.

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I dont agree with his conclusion, nor do I agree that shooting in poorly ventilated ranges is the only way to take in lead. The residue onfired cases, and in particular the dust from dry tumbling can be an exposure route. Some have had elevated blood lead levels and mitigated it in reducing exposure to thecase handling and tumbling dust. Wet tumbling helps. One guy discovered he was tracking lead dust from his reloading room in the basement to the second story kids room on his shoes.

I believe it was South Dakota that tested lead levels in game meat and discovered tiny lead fragments, some too small to see, in deer meat after being shot with rifles.

Lead isnt the boogeyman they try to assert, but neither is it a benevolent friend of our bodies. Smart management can deal with the potential issues. To jump up and say any critique of lead is a liberal agenda can look like knee jerk reaction though.
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Just to add comment to piller's post; the treatment is called "Chelation Therapy", it removes heavy metals from the body...
https://www.google.com/search?q=chelati ... e&ie=UTF-8

There are also "natural/herbal" chelation therapies (a welder where I worked had high levels of lead from welding on metals painted with school bus yellow paint and he lowered his levels "naturally" with herbs/vitamins.); https://www.google.com/search?q=herbal+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
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Only problem is that condors and eagles don't regularly check in with their veterinarians to have the lead chelation therapy done. Based upon x-ray work, it seems that there is a virtual "mist" of fine lead particles interspersed throughout much of the meat of a game animal shot with lead bullets. Just removing "chunks" of lead from the meat doesn't ensure that one doesn't ingest lead.
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Anyone who scrounges scrap lead knows that lead water pipes have been used since plumbing began.
Pre-catalytic converter, leaded gasoline was the norm.
The Romans cooked in lead pots and conquered the World.
Children who's parents permit them to eat paint chips, have bigger problems than potential lead poisoning.
All of the hype about the danger of lead poisoning is over blown for political purposes.
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:? I thought I read something, sort of recently, that said that the potential Federal Lead Rules have been shut down for lack of support. I suppose states can do what they want.
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I work with lead near everyday...over 40 years....casting........sizing.......loading......shooting......4 vibrators........cleaning multiple guns after a shoot...............BUT.........I have this weird habit of cleaning my hands, (seldom if ever, do I wear gloves) using exhaust fans while casting, not rubbing my eyes, picking my nose or eating after handling lead. In other words, DONT get the lead in your system and don't let the kids eat the peeling paint on the windowsills....feed them food, that is, if you have enough money left over after buying crack.

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With everything that is dumped into the environment along with the preservatives, additives, coloring and growth hormones in the food we CONSUME!, lead from shooting is the very LEAST concern that I have. Contents of Prescription drugs scare me more.
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It's all an anti-gun crusade

Think about it,
if they were seriously concerned about pollutants, wouldn't they ban smoking?
Cigarette smoke contains 1,000s of chemicals, including many known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and many other toxins. These cigarette ingredients include lead, cadmium, nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.
So if cigarettes contain DDT, and DDT is banned in the United States, why are cigarettes still legal.
Over 250 Billion cigarettes are sold in the US annually. How many tons of toxic stuff are they putting into people and the environment each year.

Trust me, it isn't your health or your environment they are concerned about.
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gundownunder wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 7:02 pm It's all an anti-gun crusade

Think about it,
if they were seriously concerned about pollutants, wouldn't they ban smoking?
Cigarette smoke contains 1,000s of chemicals, including many known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and many other toxins. These cigarette ingredients include lead, cadmium, nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.
So if cigarettes contain DDT, and DDT is banned in the United States, why are cigarettes still legal.
Over 250 Billion cigarettes are sold in the US annually. How many tons of toxic stuff are they putting into people and the environment each year.

Trust me, it isn't your health or your environment they are concerned about.
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Note that AllOutdoor posted an opposing position as well.

Which makes more sense.
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So now we have people that say they are on OUR side giving ammunition to the OTHER side.
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Sixgun wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 2:49 pm I work with lead near everyday...over 40 years....casting........sizing.......loading......shooting......4 vibrators........cleaning multiple guns after a shoot..............
............that explains a lot.......... :lol:
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Sixgun wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 2:49 pm I work with lead near everyday...over 40 years....casting........sizing.......loading......shooting......4 vibrators........cleaning multiple guns after a shoot...............BUT.........I have this weird habit of cleaning my hands, (seldom if ever, do I wear gloves) using exhaust fans while casting, not rubbing my eyes, picking my nose or eating after handling lead. In other words, DONT get the lead in your system and don't let the kids eat the peeling paint on the windowsills....feed them food, that is, if you have enough money left over after buying crack.

I get tested yearly as I tell the Doc while doing blood work to add the lead test. Perfect every time.------6
My experience is similar to 6's but for 65 years, (I'm 78). For a few years I had a big smelter and produced hundreds of thousands of bullets for commercial use. I became concerned and had my lead levels tested about 5 years ago---everything normal. Turns out the lead we use is almost inert. It's the lead oxides or other compounds that get in the blood. Like paint pigments that kids eat. I doubt that you could ingest enough lead from eating game meat to ever make any difference in your lead levels. Come to think of it, I've been eating meat from lead bullet killed animals for at least 75 years. When I was young a lot of that meat was ducks and geese and quail and you had to spit out the shot when you found it. Sometimes I just swallowed it.
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Just like mentioned a few times above; whatever the politicians and their followers say is skewed. When CA banned lead in "Condor Areas" I looked for facts, scientific facts to back up their spiel about all those poor buzzards that died from the evil lead bullets. I could find none. Just the do-gooders talk, but no carcasses...
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Rusty wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 9:23 pmSo now we have people that say they are on OUR side giving ammunition to the OTHER side.
Beware of your "friends"! Arguments for or against a point from an emotional standpoint are suspect.

Don't eat or drink while you're handling lead, be it casting, sizing, loading or whatever, then washing your hands afterwards, and there's nothing to fear. Except fear itself.
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Let whichever branch or level of government ban what they want.

I guarantee that I will use every single lead bullet in my inventory anyway.

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Rusty wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 9:23 pm So now we have people that say they are on OUR side giving ammunition to the OTHER side.
Kinda like the RINOs we see in politics... :|
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mikld wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:09 amWhen CA banned lead in "Condor Areas" I looked for facts, scientific facts to back up their spiel about all those poor buzzards that died from the evil lead bullets. I could find none. Just the do-gooders talk, but no carcasses...
"Obviously....you hate birds, and probably baby seals too...."

That is the way we are 'argued' with these days... :roll:
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FWiedner wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 4:07 pm Let whichever branch or level of government ban what they want.

I guarantee that I will use every single lead bullet in my inventory anyway.

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Inventory? My "Inventory" is in ingot form... and no one can prove that I intend to anything with it but cast little lead goblins to paint for Roll Playing Games...
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