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A New Year's word to Newcomers
First of all – WELCOME! By subscribing to this Forum, you have made a decision to increase your knowledge of a field that is new to you, and that is commendable. Hopefully the regular contributors will give you all the information you need to enjoy your new pursuit in safety and with great satisfaction. I am currently subscribed to six online firearms Forums and find much of value in all of them, and my hope is that you will, too. But allow me to pass along a word of caution. These comments are not focused in this Forum alone, mind you, but to all similar sites online, and I will post the same message on every one in which I participate.
Probably 25% of the information you will find here is solid gold, posted by people who really know their stuff. They have not only read every available bit of published information on their subject but have also expended considerable time and resources to find arcane, long-out-of-print materials that contain stuff that was true 100 years ago and is still true today. Then, they have put that knowledge to the test by actually building those firearms themselves, or making up those loads and testing them systematically, or hunting those critters, or going armed in to harm’s way and living to tell about it. They’ll tell it like it is, warts and all, and will be as eager to tell you of their blunders as they are to brag of their triumphs. Treasure what you learn from them.
Another 25% have done at least the first part of the above – they’ve read it all! They’ve compared all their sources, thought it all through, and reached what they believe to be, and often are, reasonable conclusions. The only thing they lack is experience – and unfortunately, many of them are reluctant to admit that fact. No real criticism meant here – it’s human nature-- but you should always apply at least a grain of salt to what they advise.
25% of posters have read innumerable gun magazines, and they’ve spent time soaking up local gun shop lore. Here, I begin to advise real caution on your part. I read gun magazines, too, but keep in mind that many gun magazine writers have less-than-pure motives. They are writing to make money, dealing with deadlines, depending on manufacturers for access to new products. To write something critical, even if clearly called-for, can be too much like biting the hand that feeds them. Honestly, some never seem to encounter a single bad gun or load – and that, frankly, is not just unlikely but downright impossible. As for gun shop "experts" – I will state this flat-out – there is no better source of out-and-out BS available.
The final 25% – well, what can I say? Some are trying to sell something, period. Some are cranks who know nothing of what they speak, but are seeking some twisted sense of self-esteem by deceiving others in to thinking them "experts". And some I can only believe are pursuing their own malevolent agenda with no regard to those who may be hurt by their foul spoutings.
Don’t let me discourage you. There is real gold to be mined here but, just as in life, there is no free lunch. Don’t expect to be spoon-fed everything you need to know; if something you hear here sounds good, great – but remember Ronald Reagan and "Trust, but verify!"
Again, welcome, and best of luck to you in your new endeavors.
Probably 25% of the information you will find here is solid gold, posted by people who really know their stuff. They have not only read every available bit of published information on their subject but have also expended considerable time and resources to find arcane, long-out-of-print materials that contain stuff that was true 100 years ago and is still true today. Then, they have put that knowledge to the test by actually building those firearms themselves, or making up those loads and testing them systematically, or hunting those critters, or going armed in to harm’s way and living to tell about it. They’ll tell it like it is, warts and all, and will be as eager to tell you of their blunders as they are to brag of their triumphs. Treasure what you learn from them.
Another 25% have done at least the first part of the above – they’ve read it all! They’ve compared all their sources, thought it all through, and reached what they believe to be, and often are, reasonable conclusions. The only thing they lack is experience – and unfortunately, many of them are reluctant to admit that fact. No real criticism meant here – it’s human nature-- but you should always apply at least a grain of salt to what they advise.
25% of posters have read innumerable gun magazines, and they’ve spent time soaking up local gun shop lore. Here, I begin to advise real caution on your part. I read gun magazines, too, but keep in mind that many gun magazine writers have less-than-pure motives. They are writing to make money, dealing with deadlines, depending on manufacturers for access to new products. To write something critical, even if clearly called-for, can be too much like biting the hand that feeds them. Honestly, some never seem to encounter a single bad gun or load – and that, frankly, is not just unlikely but downright impossible. As for gun shop "experts" – I will state this flat-out – there is no better source of out-and-out BS available.
The final 25% – well, what can I say? Some are trying to sell something, period. Some are cranks who know nothing of what they speak, but are seeking some twisted sense of self-esteem by deceiving others in to thinking them "experts". And some I can only believe are pursuing their own malevolent agenda with no regard to those who may be hurt by their foul spoutings.
Don’t let me discourage you. There is real gold to be mined here but, just as in life, there is no free lunch. Don’t expect to be spoon-fed everything you need to know; if something you hear here sounds good, great – but remember Ronald Reagan and "Trust, but verify!"
Again, welcome, and best of luck to you in your new endeavors.
Re: A New Year's word to Newcomers
I think your percentages are a little skewed. The first category should be more like less than 1%. This would also pertain to every forum on the web, no matter the subject.
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I had no idea....
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A story I'm fond of, if not true, it should be.
Theodore Sturgeon was a science fiction writer of note. At one time at a sci-fi convention he was approached by a disgruntled fan who blurted out, "90% of science fiction is cr ap!"
Ted replied, "90% of *everything* is cr ap."
I've followed his wisdom and it's worked out well for me.
Theodore Sturgeon was a science fiction writer of note. At one time at a sci-fi convention he was approached by a disgruntled fan who blurted out, "90% of science fiction is cr ap!"
Ted replied, "90% of *everything* is cr ap."
I've followed his wisdom and it's worked out well for me.
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Read it all and make your decision as to what will help you.
Some will and some wont. It never hurts to do more research if an answer does not seem quite right.
Lots of free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.
Some will and some wont. It never hurts to do more research if an answer does not seem quite right.
Lots of free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.
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If you're directed to where to learn the information yourself... consider yourself lucky. For that then becomes information you'll know forever.Don’t expect to be spoon-fed everything you need to know;
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If I recall correctly, 87% of all statistics are made up.
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Yea, I'm a big mouth, but you know what? ...I can back it all up.....from most every cartridge levergun, single action revolver and double actions guns from the 1870's to the Great War Of 1917. Anything after that is child's play and can be learned from books.
Try to make a cartridge gun from the 1870's-1900 period shoot beer cans at 300 meters and then report back. Like the Pagans Motorcycle Club, I'm a 1% er. -----6
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I come here for the pictures
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This is the finest forum on the web. The vast majority of the people here are family-loving, God-loving, patriots and I am better for spending time here.
Oh, and like bulldog1935, I love the pictures too!
Oh, and like bulldog1935, I love the pictures too!
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I like it here fine....Ysabel Kid wrote:This is the finest forum on the web. The vast majority of the people here are family-loving, God-loving, patriots and I am better for spending time here.
Oh, and like bulldog1935, I love the pictures too!
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Nope!BlaineG wrote:I like it here fine....Ysabel Kid wrote:This is the finest forum on the web. The vast majority of the people here are family-loving, God-loving, patriots and I am better for spending time here.
Oh, and like bulldog1935, I love the pictures too!
(Sure didn't take '15 very long to go off the rails, did it?)
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All I know about this darn place is, no one ever gives decent advice NOT to spend hard earned cash on firearms...
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Amen to all of the aboveYsabel Kid wrote:This is the finest forum on the web. The vast majority of the people here are family-loving, God-loving, patriots and I am better for spending time here.
Oh, and like bulldog1935, I love the pictures too!
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That's a fact right theregame keeper wrote:All I know about this darn place is, no one ever gives decent advice NOT to spend hard earned cash on firearms...
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Not too many 'internet blowhards' here when it comes to leverguns or other firearm related stuff. Opinions of course, but usually backed up by facts, or at least by - other opinions...
When we get 'Political' though - all bets are off...
When we get 'Political' though - all bets are off...
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Well, this place is 100% enablers.
Probably another 75% are picture junkies.
There are many, probably 25%, that are knowledgeable about some aspect of firearms related subjects.
So when you add those up you get.........wait.........what were we talking about?
Anyway, I guarantee that 100% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about.
Probably another 75% are picture junkies.
There are many, probably 25%, that are knowledgeable about some aspect of firearms related subjects.
So when you add those up you get.........wait.........what were we talking about?
Anyway, I guarantee that 100% of the time I don't know what I'm talking about.
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"Mall Ninjas" don't seem to last long around here. Mebbe 'cause those that really know don't tolerate the BS from the arm chair "experts" . I truly believe there aren't many folks here that will comment on something they are not sure about and/or rather familiar with...
But then again, I still put peanuts in my RC cola...
But then again, I still put peanuts in my RC cola...
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mikld, where were you raised, you posta put a nickel sack of peanuts in yer coke bottle.
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I come here to learn. Unlike some other forums, I find a high percentage of people here who are knowledgable, have lives outside the internet, have successfully held jobs, careers, raised families, and learned stuff I have never had a chance to learn.
Many of the members here were shooting long before I was born.
For that matter, many of the members here actually shoot, they don't just post about shooting.
Many of the members here were shooting long before I was born.
For that matter, many of the members here actually shoot, they don't just post about shooting.
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Funny thread.
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Nah...Snopes debunked that....so you're full of it Of course, Mythbusters confirmed it.....Larkbill wrote:If I recall correctly, 87% of all statistics are made up.
mikld wrote:But then again, I still put peanuts in my RC cola...
I was gonna ask the same thing! They do that in Oregon? Of course, I have two separate, wayward family branches that strayed off to Oregon...they may have tainted the whole place. Down here it's pronounced ARRa-O-C Cola.JerryB wrote:mikld, where were you raised, you posta put a nickel sack of peanuts in yer coke bottle.
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RRRRRR O C Cola and Moon Pies, Coke and a sack of peanuts.
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now I want a Moon Pie.
make it a banana Moon Pie.
I listen a lot on the forum and contribute where I have direct experience.
However, if the topic swings to fly fishing or antique fishing tackle, I'm your guy...
make it a banana Moon Pie.
I listen a lot on the forum and contribute where I have direct experience.
However, if the topic swings to fly fishing or antique fishing tackle, I'm your guy...
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Dang newcomers and their thread drift
They make peanut rounders right down the road from me....anybody need a roll? They'll do if you can't find Moon Pie or Royal Crown Cola
They make peanut rounders right down the road from me....anybody need a roll? They'll do if you can't find Moon Pie or Royal Crown Cola
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umm, goo goo clusters
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In Watts (South Central L.A.) it was RC cola (16 oz. bottles) and we usually shop lifted the peanuts...JerryB wrote:mikld, where were you raised, you posta put a nickel sack of peanuts in yer coke bottle.
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Thanks for the images. I have a couple of Pfleuger Supremes still with their boxes. One of them still gets fished a lot.bulldog1935 wrote:now I want a Moon Pie.
make it a banana Moon Pie.
I listen a lot on the forum and contribute where I have direct experience.
However, if the topic swings to fly fishing or antique fishing tackle, I'm your guy...
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then you'll like these, too - Supreme direct drive on American Fork & Hoe steel rod
This is the first model Supreme, 1920, Douglas patent - what's left of the original silver plate (not nickel-, but silver-plated brass)
It's anti-reverse, with the most complicated clutch mechanism ever on a reel. Rotate handle backwards 1/4 turn, the clutch disengages and the level wind flier drops
In wind, the flier pushes the line to one of the end lifters, which drop the line into the flier groove
if you want to see more of it, here's my rebuild of the reel
http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewto ... =6&t=11836
Pflueger went to all this trouble because Shakespeare had Marhoff's level wind patent
Many folks run across postwar Summits (Model 1993L - plated brass) in their grandad's tackle box. This is a prewar Summit, solid nickel-silver (Marhoff style level wind)
Shakespeare B, s/n 127 (1910) twin-screw - the pawl is a pin that gets pushed between the two worm gears at either end
Another falling-guide design, Meisselbach Okeh
the frame is cut from nickel-silver tubing
This is the first model Supreme, 1920, Douglas patent - what's left of the original silver plate (not nickel-, but silver-plated brass)
It's anti-reverse, with the most complicated clutch mechanism ever on a reel. Rotate handle backwards 1/4 turn, the clutch disengages and the level wind flier drops
In wind, the flier pushes the line to one of the end lifters, which drop the line into the flier groove
if you want to see more of it, here's my rebuild of the reel
http://orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewto ... =6&t=11836
Pflueger went to all this trouble because Shakespeare had Marhoff's level wind patent
Many folks run across postwar Summits (Model 1993L - plated brass) in their grandad's tackle box. This is a prewar Summit, solid nickel-silver (Marhoff style level wind)
Shakespeare B, s/n 127 (1910) twin-screw - the pawl is a pin that gets pushed between the two worm gears at either end
Another falling-guide design, Meisselbach Okeh
the frame is cut from nickel-silver tubing
Re: A New Year's word to Newcomers
Wow...now that's what I call bling...bulldog1935 wrote:
Some people just need a sympathetic pat on the head.....with a hammer. Repeatedly.
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darn good reason. Nice Low wall too.bulldog1935 wrote:I come here for the pictures
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really pretty - I couldn't get a set trigger when I bought mine
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set triggers are way over rated. I have 4 of them on my Winchesters alone. I won't have another.bulldog1935 wrote:really pretty - I couldn't get a set trigger when I bought mine
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man, that wood gives me...never mind
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I'm not sure how everyone is getting pictures to show big....The site sez I'm limited to 1000x1000 pixbulldog1935 wrote:man, that wood gives me...never mind
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I'm posting 700 or 800 wide, using
(I've since replaced the buckhorn with a folding Marble's rear)
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Came upon this thread accidentally, but thought it worth dredging up to the surface.....
I agree with the comment "this is the finest forum on the web"....Pisgah wrote: ↑Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:18 pm First of all – WELCOME! By subscribing to this Forum, you have made a decision to increase your knowledge of a field that is new to you, and that is commendable. Hopefully the regular contributors will give you all the information you need to enjoy your new pursuit in safety and with great satisfaction. I am currently subscribed to six online firearms Forums and find much of value in all of them, and my hope is that you will, too. But allow me to pass along a word of caution. These comments are not focused in this Forum alone, mind you, but to all similar sites online, and I will post the same message on every one in which I participate.
Probably 25% of the information you will find here is solid gold, posted by people who really know their stuff. They have not only read every available bit of published information on their subject but have also expended considerable time and resources to find arcane, long-out-of-print materials that contain stuff that was true 100 years ago and is still true today. Then, they have put that knowledge to the test by actually building those firearms themselves, or making up those loads and testing them systematically, or hunting those critters, or going armed in to harm’s way and living to tell about it. They’ll tell it like it is, warts and all, and will be as eager to tell you of their blunders as they are to brag of their triumphs. Treasure what you learn from them.
Another 25% have done at least the first part of the above – they’ve read it all! They’ve compared all their sources, thought it all through, and reached what they believe to be, and often are, reasonable conclusions. The only thing they lack is experience – and unfortunately, many of them are reluctant to admit that fact. No real criticism meant here – it’s human nature-- but you should always apply at least a grain of salt to what they advise.
25% of posters have read innumerable gun magazines, and they’ve spent time soaking up local gun shop lore. Here, I begin to advise real caution on your part. I read gun magazines, too, but keep in mind that many gun magazine writers have less-than-pure motives. They are writing to make money, dealing with deadlines, depending on manufacturers for access to new products. To write something critical, even if clearly called-for, can be too much like biting the hand that feeds them. Honestly, some never seem to encounter a single bad gun or load – and that, frankly, is not just unlikely but downright impossible. As for gun shop "experts" – I will state this flat-out – there is no better source of out-and-out BS available.
The final 25% – well, what can I say? Some are trying to sell something, period. Some are cranks who know nothing of what they speak, but are seeking some twisted sense of self-esteem by deceiving others in to thinking them "experts". And some I can only believe are pursuing their own malevolent agenda with no regard to those who may be hurt by their foul spoutings.
Don’t let me discourage you. There is real gold to be mined here but, just as in life, there is no free lunch. Don’t expect to be spoon-fed everything you need to know; if something you hear here sounds good, great – but remember Ronald Reagan and "Trust, but verify!"
Again, welcome, and best of luck to you in your new endeavors.
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"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
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Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "