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For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#1 Post by Old No7 » Sun May 14, 2017 1:11 pm

Copied to a new thread from Nath's "Fire Lock" posting...
Ray wrote:
Sun May 14, 2017 6:44 am
Ironic you mention smashing flints.....that is exactly my problem......i am working with an incorrigible T/C Hawken .45 that absolutely eats flints......the fit and geometry of the relation between the frizzen and hammer seem o.k. and the frizzen moves readily but the hammer must be hitting too hard.....have read almost every reference and watched dozens of videos on the subject of flint selection and adjustment.....a 1" x 1/4 " ferrocerium fire starting rod in place of the rock sparks well and seems to last longer than any of the different flints i've tried.....even a toy paper cap glued with spirit gum to the front of piece of clothes pin used as a proving dummy sets off a pan of priming.....i got that idea from reading an account of u.s. army trials in the firelock to percussion transitionary era referencing "fulminate pills" as pan priming several years before the maynard tape.......
Hi Ray:
My twin had numerous issues with his T/C Flint Hawken, that finally got corrected by changing to the "later style hammer" offered by T/C. I don't recall all the details, but I remember that T/C ended up changing the shape of their flintlock hammers to improve ignition. I also recall seeing several posts and images of "old" versus "new" T/C flintlock hammers.

I think it will be worth your while to Google search this to find out more -- and maybe locate the new-style flint hammer too.

Good luck!

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Re: For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#2 Post by Old No7 » Sun May 14, 2017 1:18 pm

Old No7 wrote:
Sun May 14, 2017 1:11 pm
I also recall seeing several posts and images of "old" versus "new" T/C flintlock hammers.

I think it will be worth your while to Google search this to find out more -- and maybe locate the new-style flint hammer too.
Here you go Ray -- Here's a Link to a Posting from PA -- where flintlocks rule for primitive hunting -- about those old vs new hammers.

Hope this helps!

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Re: For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#3 Post by Ray » Sun May 14, 2017 4:21 pm

thanks # 7.....i think you are right.....the ser. no. is in the low 2000's and it is definitely has the smaller hammer.....first thing i noticed was the 5/8" flints are too short to work at all.....seating to strike, there is not enough to even grip properly....so i buy 1" long musket flints to get the reach but they are too wide and fracture easily at the overhang where the flint is wider than the frizzen hence failing after a few shots.....it sparks good though......

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Re: For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#4 Post by cas » Mon May 15, 2017 4:06 pm

Prior to S&W gobbling up T/C , you could send your lock back to them for replacement/retro fit. I had it done with a Pennsylvania Hunter I bought used somewhere 2009-2010.

I'm assuming that's no longer possible since sadly they don't make any "traditional" rifles anymore, but it couldn't hurt to ask.
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Re: For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#5 Post by hondo1892 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Many flints are broken from frizzen bounce also. But most production gun flintlocks have very poor geometry and are the cause for poor performance. Back in the late 70's and early 80's there were many articles on correcting the issues that most of the lock had at that time. If you swap cocks and still have problems it is frizzen bounce causing the broken flints.

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Re: For RAY -- Problems with T/C Flint Hawken

#6 Post by Ray » Tue May 16, 2017 10:20 pm

hondo1892 wrote:

But most production gun flintlocks have very poor geometry and are the cause for poor performance.


i bought this one with eyes wide open with the intention of putting a side-slapper on it....the vent insert came right out and just happened to be 1/4-28....so i call the guy in pennsylvania who makes (made) them.....

Lady says "Hello".....

I says "is this pioneer arms ?"......

She asks "What ? ! ? ! ?"......pause....."you must want bernie"....."try his cel, he's out and about"

So i call his cel....now that i know his handle i ask : "is this bernie of pioneer arms ?".....

P a u s e....."yeah, where did you get this number?"

i reply : "your website"......" i'm checking availability of your drop-in mule ear lock for a t/c hawken".......

"well.....i made a few of those in 2009 and i hope to get around to making a few more one of these years"........

so i email john taylor, another name that comes-up on a "mule ear lock" internet search......"try bernie at pioneer arms.....i can build you one for $500 to $600 dollars but i cannot guarantee the hammer nose will index your vent location....you'll probably have to plug it and drill and tap a new one"....

the L & R one is only $108 but it is bess/charleville size.....hammer won't index and trigger won't work.....

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