Did the guy with the 94....

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Did the guy with the 94....

#1 Post by Nath » Wed May 10, 2017 7:52 am

..get anywhere with my suggestion?
I remember someone having flyers from a w94 and my asking him to check if at lock up there was pressure on the lever.
I suggested relieving the lever eye in the bolt which I believe he did.
Did he come back with any results?

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#2 Post by OldWin » Thu May 11, 2017 12:39 am

Sorry to jump in Nath.

Thanks for the idea. I'm pretty sure I have a 94 carbine that could benefit from this mod.
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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#3 Post by Nath » Thu May 11, 2017 4:31 am

No need to apologize.

I really want this to become recognised as an improvement to the later Winchester m94's.
I certainly wish I could compare a pre 1900 model to post 64 examples.

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#4 Post by BenT » Thu May 11, 2017 6:30 am

Are you talking about on the lever or the bolt?

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#5 Post by OldWin » Thu May 11, 2017 7:34 am

Nath wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 4:31 am
No need to apologize.

I really want this to become recognised as an improvement to the later Winchester m94's.
I certainly wish I could compare a pre 1900 model to post 64 examples.

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I have a bunch of 94's, from Ser #33xx to the one in question (1960). The vast majority of mine are pre war and none of them have the issue with the forward lever travel. Only the post war one. It was my first Winchester, my dad bought it for me when I was 12. I shot my first deer with it but haven't used it a lot since I started buying my own guns. I'd like to get it tuned up a bit a use it.
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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#6 Post by Nath » Thu May 11, 2017 12:34 pm

BenT wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 6:30 am
Are you talking about on the lever or the bolt?
The eye on the lever where the pin , cross pin on the bolt connection.
I have noticed thrust still on the pin from the lever when the rising lug should of taken over.

I only ever got chance to try it on one 94, I never realised until my last 94 in ownership by me but the one I did relieve the eye a fraction locked via the lug very consistently and shot very well with a number of loads.

The carbines prior had all the same bad lock up. I was just to dumb to realise what the actions were telling me!

Now I beg someone to try it too so we can all benefit....maybe.

A guy on here, I forgot who, said they had done but not had chance to test it.
I was hoping he reported an improvement.

Thanks.

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#7 Post by OldWin » Thu May 11, 2017 3:26 pm

Your earlier post on this subject caught my eye and I immediately thought of my carbine in question.
Naturally, I got sidetracked with something else and didn't get to it. I was glad to see it come back up. I will have to try and locate your old post on it. If I recall, you had pictures and described the procedure in detail.
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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#8 Post by Nath » Thu May 11, 2017 5:02 pm

OldWin wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 3:26 pm
Your earlier post on this subject caught my eye and I immediately thought of my carbine in question.
Naturally, I got sidetracked with something else and didn't get to it. I was glad to see it come back up. I will have to try and locate your old post on it. If I recall, you had pictures and described the procedure in detail.
Good.
IIRC, someone else supplied pictures to help confirm my explanation.
In a nutshell the lever must not be holding the bolt closed, only the raised lug. The lever detent should hold the lever in place firmly and not easily overcome, to achieve this some of the eye needs relieving where it would bear on the cross pin when the action is closed.

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#9 Post by BenT » Thu May 11, 2017 8:58 pm

I fixed this by using a smaller diameter pin. I used the shank of a drill bit for a pin of the correct diameter. It was only a 1/64 smaller that the factory pin and it made all the difference.

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#10 Post by Nath » Thu May 11, 2017 11:48 pm

BenT wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 8:58 pm
I fixed this by using a smaller diameter pin. I used the shank of a drill bit for a pin of the correct diameter. It was only a 1/64 smaller that the factory pin and it made all the difference.
What was the "difference'?
Did the rifle shoot different?

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#11 Post by BenT » Mon May 15, 2017 9:16 pm

The problem I was trying to fix was the fact that I needed to squeeze the lever hard to disengage the lever safety. This was on a 94 in 307 Win, which needless to say I never found a magic load for. It never shot better than 2 MOA. Which is fine for deer hunting.

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#12 Post by Nath » Mon May 15, 2017 11:50 pm

BenT wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 9:16 pm
The problem I was trying to fix was the fact that I needed to squeeze the lever hard to disengage the lever safety. This was on a 94 in 307 Win, which needless to say I never found a magic load for. It never shot better than 2 MOA. Which is fine for deer hunting.
That's great. How did it shoot after?

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Re: Did the guy with the 94....

#13 Post by BenT » Wed May 17, 2017 8:29 pm

The biggest improvement was cycling the lever. There was no resistance at the end of the lever stroke. Shoots good!

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