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"The Army has chosen a new semi-automatic sniper rifle, replacing the M110 which entered service in 2008.

"According to reports by the Army Times, the winning rifle was the Heckler & Koch G28. According to the the company’s website, the G28 is a version of the HK 417 battle rifle — itself a variation of the AR-10 rifle."

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So they select a rifle any number of US companies could have built, and probably for less cost. Something tells me a number of DoD employees and Army field-grade officers will be enjoying luxury cruises on the Rhine this year...
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That contraption looks like something out of Star Wars....Whatever happened to a Squad Sniper carrying a M700 with a good scope? And, 308 is the go to? Surely, they can do better than that.
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Re: .308 vs. anything more effective... Look at the first photo and you'll have your answer.

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I can't see any real difference between the H&K and the Knight M110? Seems like they simply made a change from one M16 lower to another M16 lower, with slight changes in the barrels.
Article said they wanted something that looked less like a sniper rifle. I never thought the previous one looked like a sniper rifle, so they still look the same.
Now the old sniper rifle based on the Model 700 was a wonderful shooting gun, but pretty darned heavy, so I understand wanting a lighter gun! I have the civilian version I use for varmint hunting, and packing it around all day will test your stamina!
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good rifle, good choice... :)
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The Army plans to spend just under $45 million to get 3,643 M110A1s. That comes out to $12,000 a rifle, plus all the logistical and support needs for the Army, including the provision of spare parts.
Seems a bit pricey.

And are they really as accurate as a bolt action at a third the cost...?
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So there is one article about the military looking to replace the 5.56 with the 7.62. Now were talking about new sniper rifles. Seems there is some money to be spent and some to be made in small arms these days.

I'm sort of reminded of Germany in WWII. Hitler wanted nothing to do with semi auto rifles for the troops. But the military went behind his back and come up with the STG 44. When he finally saw it Hitler approved.

I kind of wonder if our own military hasn't been working on some new arms but kept it from BoBo. While Hitler would have understood small arms, BoBo probably wouldn't.
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BlaineG wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:52 pm And, 308 is the go to? Surely, they can do better than that.
I can't think of anything better that would function in the AR style rifle.
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Hitler had been a soldier, which we all know. Oblamer was not.
The 7.62 NATO was pretty effective in the M14 and the M60. And, the AR platform is pretty accurate in all variations.
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JB wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:03 am
BlaineG wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:52 pm And, 308 is the go to? Surely, they can do better than that.
I can't think of anything better that would function in the AR style rifle.
I agree....I guess what I was saying is that I don't consider this Ray Gun AR a sniper rifle. Backward progress considering the 50 BMG sniper rifles in use. 338s, too....
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BlaineG wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:21 am
JB wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:03 am
BlaineG wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:52 pm And, 308 is the go to? Surely, they can do better than that.
I can't think of anything better that would function in the AR style rifle.
I agree....I guess what I was saying is that I don't consider this Ray Gun AR a sniper rifle. Backward progress considering the 50 BMG sniper rifles in use. 338s, too....
Doubt those will disappear. All three have a place. For those that are snipers the .338 and the 50 BMG will still have a place. I'm willing to bet someone has figured out that if or LMG's, infantry rifles and sniper rifles all chamber the same cartridge it might simplify supply logistics. Wow, now there is a new idea. Oh wait, we once had out LMG's, SAW's, and infantry rifles, and sniper rifles chambered for the 30-06. But that was obviously such a bad idea we ended up 30-06 LMG's, 5.56 infantry rifles, 7.62 SAW's (sort of, the M60 was a middle child that never did figure out where it fit in) and sniper rifles in a variety of calibers.

I'm thinking we might end up with 7.62 LMG's, 5.56 SAW's and 7.62 infantry and sniper rifles. Almost down to one round for them all like we had in WWII. Yep we on the verge of going back in time, again. I can imagine a time when some one might figure out that all you need are three rounds for infantry weapons, 50 BMG, 7.62 NATO, and if we can believe what we are reading these days .45 acp for handguns.
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In my opinion an accurate semi auto sniper rifle is a great choice for military or police. Movies always depict a sniper with a bolt making a one shot kill at super long ranges and having to shoot 1/4" groups. In reality police are more concerned with extreme accuracy at short ranges because of hostage rescue scenarios while a military sniper inflicts casualties to the enemy and train to hit human size targets at much longer ranges. But both can also be tasked with supplying cover to a team making an entry or team movement. That's where an accurate semi auto with 20 round mags come in handy. H&K also makes a great firearm. I don't think the military has any plans to get rid of 50 caliber sniper rifles. Another tool for a specific need.
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