Bolt mounted Peep sights to replace the ugly Rossi 92 safety

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

This is for the folks that contacted me about the peep sight to replace the Rossi safety. Hobie has also posted this as a sticky but if you are like me I don't always check the sticky's so I posted it here, too.

It's taken a while to get this done . Over three years, two hurricanes and rotator cuff surgery in between but it looks like it's finally coming together. After 4 different design prototypes and testing, I posted a picture or two here and getting some input on how to improve it I finally realized that one style would not work for everyone so I settled on two styles. Next step was to get the prototypes done and tested then apply for the patents. Got that done and the prototypes shipped off to the CNC machine shop to be made. Hooray, we're rolling now right? Well, not quite. The CNC shop had some machines that went down that put things on hold. Now, 6 months later we finally get that worked out (new CNC machines shop) and the parts are being made as I write this.

Yahoooo

When I first started this project that first one was fixed, no windage or elevation (W&E) adjustment. W&E had to be done with the front sight. It just replaced the ugly bolt top safety with at least something that was more pleasant to look at and actually served a purpose.
After trying several modifications to make it W&E adjustable and not feeling good about any of them covering all the bases I decided to make two different versions.

This one will be called the Bolt Mounted Peep/Safety. It will replace the ugly safety with a fixed W&E peep sight but it will still serve as a functional safety.
When it's in this position the firing pin is blocked and it's obvious the safety on because you can't see through the sight.


Once it's turned so you can see through it for a sight picture it is now off safety and ready to fire.

The projected ship dates for this Peep/Safety should be january 2010. I'll post the price once we get some details worked out.

This one will be called the Bolt Mounted safety replacement elevation adjustable peep sight. It will eliminate that ugly wart safety. Just for clarity, the Rossi 92 still has the 1/4 cock notch on the hammer just like the original Win 92. The Wart safety didn't appear on the Rossi's until about 1999-2000 and the EMF imported rossi's didn't have them until 2006.

Thanks to Doctor Tim Skinner for modifying his sight and making them for me so they work with my adaptor this Bolt Mounted safety replacement elevation adjustable peep sight will be ready to ship before the end on this month.

A lot of you guys have ask abut this so itf you are still interested I'm taking order now. The projected price for now will be $59.95 with $7.95 USPS Priority mail S&H.

Best way to contact me is my email. (see below)

[AJMD429]

Two Questions:

One pertinent one - will these be something Semi-Bubba-Smiths like myself will install themselves...?

IOW not those with lathes, milling machines, etc., but those who might conceivably smooth up guide rails, drill and tap for a Williams FP, and that sort of stuff?


One impertinent one - maybe for a separate thread, but could you detail, or refer elsewhere for same, the general process for getting something 'patented'?

Every once in awhile I actually get an idea and even one I could make or do myself, but the patenting process has always seemed intimidating. I've heard that it is filled with predatory 'patent attorneys' and that once you get something patented, if it is good enough, some big corporation will use threats and intimidation to 'steal' your work. I'd be interested in your own experiences and advice along those lines, and any 'how to' comments - I'll bet lots of others on this forum would be equally interested.

Thanks,

[2X22]

Son of a gun! I do believe I'll be getting a Rossi now! Just couldn't abide that ugly thing on the bolt but this will do the job.

I see a Rossi in my future.

Thanks Nate!

2x22

[Old Savage]

Cool!

[Bob]

Wow! I really like that. My Puma doesn't have that safety, but if it did, I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat!
Bob

[Halfbreed]

Will this fit a Taurus model 63LAR lever action 22RF rifle bolt too?

[Pete44ru]

[Two Questions:
One pertinent one - will these be something Semi-Bubba-Smiths like myself will install themselves...?]


Judge for yourself, Doc.

In the pic below, see the pin/hole through the bolt in the bolt lug recess area ?

That is the pin which retains the safety in the bolt - or whatever's in the hole.

If you simply open the lever/bolt all the way, it's exposed enough to drive out, allowing the upward removal of the safety (watch for the amazing flying detent ball), and the downward installation of the replacement - albeit a plain plug or a bolt peep.



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[Buck Elliott]

My O my...

Something useful for a Rossi '92...

Good Work, NKJ.

THAT should make a lot of fellers happy.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

[Two Questions:
One pertinent one - will these be something Semi-Bubba-Smiths like myself will install themselves...?]


Judge for yourself, Doc.

In the pic below, see the pin/hole through the bolt in the bolt lug recess area ?

That is the pin which retains the safety in the bolt - or whatever's in the hole.

If you simply open the lever/bolt all the way, it's exposed enough to drive out, allowing the upward removal of the safety (watch for the amazing flying detent ball), and the downward installation of the replacement - albeit a plain plug or a bolt peep.

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Yep, that's all there is to it. You don't even have to take the bolt out of the gun. That pin is knurled so you do want to drift that pin out from the left side to the right. You will spend more time looking for the tools then actually doing the deed.
Even so, I plan to ship these with instructions.

As for the patent stuff, I haven't a clue. My book-keeper wife did all that. The Rule here is I'm the screwdriver guy and she's the pencil gal.
I do know there was a patent search involved that had to be done before the app was submitted. I had to answer questions about all that.

Wow! I really like that. My Puma doesn't have that safety, but if it did, I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat!
Bob

Bob, if you really like it send your bolt and I'll drill it for you.

Will this fit a Taurus model 63LAR lever action 22RF rifle bolt too?

You may have to trim the bottom of the adaptor some and even move the pin notch on it but the O.D. is the same so it should work. I know this because folks have bought my safety plugs and used them in there taurus 62 & 72 pumps. the 63 uses the same safety parts.

My O my...

Something useful for a Rossi '92...

Good Work, NKJ.

THAT should make a lot of fellers happy.

Thanks Buck,

[gundownunder]

Hey Nate, how "adjustable" is the adjustable sight? Is it a set and forget thing for a hunting rifle or would it be practical for someone like me who uses the rifle mostly for target work at 5 different distances from 25-200 meters?

[AJMD429]

Sounds cool; I'll likely be wanting one.

I hope it isn't as 'loose' as the safeties seem to be (I don't trust the Puma safeties to stay either 'on' or 'off very reliably).

[Pete44ru]

I mounted a Skinner Lo-Pro Peep into a handmade safety replacement plug I made myself to tightly fit the existing safety hole in MY rifle's bolt.

While I'm not speaking for Kiowa, any safety (and I would also presume Kiowa's turning combo safety/peep) would need some clearance in order to be able to turn freely.

Unless they're made oversize for YOU to fit to YOUR bolt, (IOW not a drop-in), a loose fit is somewhat guaranteed - since most production items are made to a given standard, and YMMV from it.

The Puma/Rossi bolt safety can be easily turned because it has angled arms atop it's body for finger purchase that are easily caught by clothing/brush/etc, and ergo turn the safety because there's leverage afforded by the arms.
A safety replacement peep has no such "arms" sticking out to the side which would catch and/or otherwise afford such purchase for the safety body to turn inadvertantly.
My non-turning peep's plug was made SHORTER at it's bottom end, so it's body gets nowhere near the firing pin, regardless of it's orientation. The bolt pin in my case is to simply keep my peep from turning so I can't see through it.

My sight is a set-n-forget, hunting sight - not something I find practical to be always changing adjustments on/to, as in silly-wet shooting, etc.

Fellas - this setup is the cat's meow for hunting/shooting any Rossi Model 92's that have the lawyer bolt safety, and worth every bit of effort and $$$ to git -er done.

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[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Hey Nate, how "adjustable" is the adjustable sight? Is it a set and forget thing for a hunting rifle or would it be practical for someone like me who uses the rifle mostly for target work at 5 different distances from 25-200 meters?

it's really going to depend on the caliber and gun configuration as in round or octagon, 16" 20 or 24". the thing to do is start with the sight as low as you can get it then shoot for POI. If it is too low take some off the front sight until it comes up then you will have the maximum elevation still left in the rear. The only thing limiting you then will be just how flat your cal will shoot.

Sounds cool; I'll likely be wanting one.

I hope it isn't as 'loose' as the safeties seem to be (I don't trust the Puma safeties to stay either 'on' or 'off very reliably).

The adaptor piece for the elevation adjustable peep will be tighter in the hole than the safety. It will come notched to match the pin hole and we are trying to make it a close fit but it will be impossible to cover all the Rossi production variables. So, if yours is a bit looser than you like just mark it with a sharpie, install it back in the safety hole then reach in through the pin hole and scribe a mark for a new notch. Then remove it and cut a slightly shallower notch just deep enough that the pin holds it tighter in the hole.
When I do action work and I'm installing the safety plug here and if the plug doesn't fit tight that's what I do.