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First and foremost....the UNWRITTEN LAW OF THE LAND is that everyone has to have a .30-30 levergun at least once in their life, best to start out with one.

Two, your .30-30 out of a short barrel will out perform a .35 Rem out of a short barrel. There is a reason that Marlin didn't pursue trapper sizes chambered in the .35 Rem.
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I cant say that one is that much different than the other.
A 200 gr. bullet has a little (lot?) more killing power than a 150-170 gr bullet when pushed to about the same velocity.
I own and like both. I would say I would pick the rifle for
quality and condition before caliber as either will do what you want. :D
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Apples and oranges IMO. A 30-30 will be easier to find ammo for at the stores. Both will drop hogs and deer at the same distances. A 30-30 might be easier/cheaper to find at the store.

But then again......an 1895 will drop a deer too at those same distances. From mild to wild......
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The critters won't know the difference, so I'd go with ammunition issues:
  • 1. if you already have a .30-30, inventory will be simpler to have more of the same stuff.
    2. if you already have some .357-358 stuff, the above is less of a factor.
    3. if you always wanted to GET something in .35 caliber, then you obviously NEED a .35 Remington. :wink:
I had two .35 Remingtons before getting a .30-30, and as a result really never felt I needed a .30-30, but I finally learned the LAW on it, and got one so's I didn't get arrested as a Midwestern U.S. INFIDEL. Shot the .30-30 today, and it is kinda fun.

I'll bet that if you handed a Marlin 336 in .30-30 and in .35 Remington to most of us 'seasoned' levergunners, and you did the loading, and you'd put masking tape over the barrel lettering . . . hardly ANY of us would notice the difference. They both go bang, hit the target easily, and if it is a game animal smaller than an elk, will drop it in its tracks.

Pick one depending on what you want to do with your ammo and reloading supplies. Or what comes next to the gunshop in the 'used' rack. Lots of folks trade them in for the glamorous short magnums and semiautos - I say good for them . . . and good for ME, if I'm the next one in the gun shop... :twisted:
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I would personally go 35 caliber, but only if you reload for the above stated reasons.

Curious why the factory wouldn't build a short barreled 35 remington. I assume a reloader could work around any velocity issues with correct powder burn rate selection if it isn't burining all the powder in a short barrel is the factory's issue?

Curious to learn more about the issues with the 35 remington. I have a 24" 35 whelen, and now a BLR in 358.

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The .30-30 has been getting done on deer sized critters for a long time. In it's day, the .30-30 was a wonder cartridge. Properly loaded and all else being equal, bullet construction, pressure, etc. the .35 is a better killer, employing a larger, heavier bullet. The .35 has always been loaded to somewhat anemic pressures. I guess this is because there are a fair number of older, weaker designs still in service. Max. SAAMI pressure for the .30-30 is about 42,000 psi. The .35 is held to about 33,500 psi. Properly loaded, the .35 is a different animal. Check Buffalo Bore's web page. A 220gr Speer Hot Core at 2,200 fps muzzle velocity is something the .30-30 can not possibly match. Many have duplicated Speer's offering in new guns so it is no real feat. New, modern guns only. I am currently working on an 18" barrel 76 vintage 336. I should have it completed in a week or two. It will prove to be a dandy. A 230gr LBT style hard cast at 2000fps should be just peachy. 1886.
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I opted for the .35 over the 30-30 on the off chance I draw a moose tag some day. Not that the 30-30 hasn't taken plenty of moose. Mostly, I just wanted something a little different. Around here, .30-30 is one of the few types of ammo still on the shelves and still sold for a reasonable price. That may be a consideration.
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30/30 easier to find ammo for and cheaper to shoot, 1/2 price to what .35 Remington sells for. At least around here. As far as a woods gun 50 to 100 yards will do everything a .35 will do. But if you found a 336 for 200 then Thats kinda hard to pass up.
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Neither.

Marlin M94 .357 Magnum. Will do the job with a lot less recoil and be a great all-around gun for later use.
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O.S.O.K. wrote:Neither.

Marlin M94 .357 Magnum. Will do the job with a lot less recoil and be a great all-around gun for later use.
+1. O.S.O.K. is suggesting a wonderful option there. A .357 carbine is a very useful and versatile little gun that makes a great starter gun and will never be outgrown. The .357 takes on a whole 'nuther life out of a carbine and will do wonderful for your stated purposes. Just do a forum search for >357 and you'll find lots of info. P.S....Welcome to the fire!
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Marlin did have a 18.5" guide gun in 35 Rem for a while (stainless).

I like the 35 Rem but the 30-30 will have a better trajectory and it retains energy better. But if you want the big bullet, there's only one way to go.
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Sounds like you may already have your mind made up. If you can find a .35 for $200 in good shape I would say go for it. I think you will be hard pressed to find a gunsmith to do what you want and stay under the cost of a new rifle that already fits you specs. As far as I am concerned though, a 30-30 in a TRAPPER Model would be the ticket. No need to modify the gun at all. For what you need it for, the 30-30 will fill the bill in SPADES all day long. I would even consider a 94 winchester or marlin in .44 mag or .45LC. You know one day he will want a pistol and a nice carbine that matches the caliber would be SWEET!
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El Chivo wrote:I like the 35 Rem but the 30-30 will have a better trajectory and it retains energy better. But if you want the big bullet, there's only one way to go.
If you reload, a 180 grain at 2100 fps isn't hard to do from the .35 Remington, or a 150 grain at 2300 fps, and both those compete well with the trajectory and energy of a .30-30 - the 180 grainer will be 1500 fps and 900 fpe at 200 yards - pretty much factory ballistics for a .30-30.

If you reload, you'll be happy with either one. These days, I have just as hard a time finding .30-30 as .35 Rem on the shelves, so having 'common' ammunition may be a moot point.
O.S.O.K. wrote:Neither. Marlin M94 .357 Magnum. Will do the job with a lot less recoil and be a great all-around gun for later use.
Now THAT'S a good answer. Hadn't thought about that. Same would go for a .44 Magnum or .45 Colt in the 1894, although the little .357 carbine version is substantially smaller and good for youth, petites, or just for a really handy little totin' gun. Of course, as far as compatability and minimizing inventory with other guns, whichever one of those rounds you have a handgun in would be the natural choice. For a young'un, 38 Specials can be used in 357 Magnums, 44 Specials or better yet 44 Mag 'Cowboy' loads can be used in the .44 Magnums, and .45 Colt 'Cowboy' loads can be used in the .45 Colts.
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Arkansas Bob wrote: I respect your oppion but just keep the marlin 1894's to yourself if you will please. Handgun amo belongs in handguns. They made bigger rounds for rifles.
Thanks for the welcome. :D
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You could maybe not buy another gun and upgrade the sights on his SKS (a nice red dot possibly?) and buy him some good hunting 7.62x39 ammo. The 7.62x39 is a fine deer/hog round ON PAR with the 30-30. The 35 Rem will shoot a 200 or heavier bullet better, but that's not necessary for deer and razorbacks.

Be kind to us popgun hunters. You stepped on a APC load of toes there with your comment. Apples and oranges and I like persimmons.

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Bob,
I personally would stick with the .30-30. In my area .30-30 ammo is much easier to come by. I'd have to say that's the main reason. The .30 cal. will also shoot a bit flater than the .35.
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(Honestly, ya couldn't go wrong with either.)

Since that's out of the way, and all of the '94 owners are now pacified,
the 35 Remington is the clearly superior cartridge in all respects!! Yeah,
some folks will tell ya different, but that's just because they don't know
any better......ignore 'em. :twisted:

The 35 can be loaded up OR down from the factory settings. Loading the 30-30
with 110gr. bullets or so makes for an easy-shooting rifle, but ya can't load it
with 220 gr.. (Somebody on this forum will make a liar of me for that statement
at some point, I'm sure...........)

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stretch wrote:(Honestly, ya couldn't go wrong with either.)

Since that's out of the way, and all of the '94 owners are now pacified,
the 35 Remington is the clearly superior cartridge in all respects!! Yeah,
some folks will tell ya different, but that's just because they don't know
any better......ignore 'em. :twisted:

The 35 can be loaded up OR down from the factory settings. Loading the 30-30
with 110gr. bullets or so makes for an easy-shooting rifle, but ya can't load it
with 220 gr.. (Somebody on this forum will make a liar of me for that statement
at some point, I'm sure...........)

Enjoy whichever Marlin ya get. :)

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And the Leverevolution load shoots as flat as the traditional 150 grain 30-30 factory load out to about 200 yards or so.
As to the comment about the 30-30 outperforming the 35 Rem in shorter barrels, it's been my experience that shortening the barrel effects velocity more in smaller calibers than in larger calibers. However, my experience IS somewhat limited. :)

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I bought Kid#2 a 336 in .35 Remington for Christmas last year, he was 15 at the time.
Gave $200 at a show for it. The stocks were pretty beat up but otherwise really good shape.

This has been my first experience with the .35 Rem and I've been really taken with the
accuracy of the combo. Been looking for another to turn into a little 16" trapper.

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Old Time Hunter wrote:First and foremost....the UNWRITTEN LAW OF THE LAND is that everyone has to have a .30-30 levergun at least once in their life, best to start out with one.

Two, your .30-30 out of a short barrel will out perform a .35 Rem out of a short barrel. There is a reason that Marlin didn't pursue trapper sizes chambered in the .35 Rem.
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OK, since you're not a fan of the 94 and "pop gun" cartridges :lol:

I'd go with the 35 Rem - its a great round and I really like mine too. Especially since you're going with open sights. The 30-30 would be a better choice if a scope was going to be mounted and longer shots anticipated.

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I don't know. Seems like the .357 from a carbine can give a 30/30 a run for its money at woods ranges. :wink:

I do think the 30/30 is the way to go in this case. Ammo availability being what it is lately. I've been wishing for one recently.
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Have both and love them both! Myself, I would opt for the .35 Rem
But really either is great for him.Its just the .35Rem is a little more versatile.My nephew has taken two "big" black bear with my .35 and its performance was pretty impressive.Either though is a winner!
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I am interested to see what the 357 cartridge guys can get using a deer bullet, ie 180 or 200 grain slug. I suspect 158 grain pistol bullets wouldn't perform well for pigs, but suspect many have succumed to a 357 pistol. One of the poorest choice of caliber for anything over 50 yards to my thinking.....

I suspect a 357 carbine length gun looses at least 400 fps to a 35 remington, which to me is a bunch. no real background to say a 357 is not enough energy, but the poster wants 30-30 equivalent, and a 357 is not even close IMHO.

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hemiallen wrote:I am interested to see what the 357 cartridge guys can get using a deer bullet, ie 180 or 200 grain slug. I suspect 158 grain pistol bullets wouldn't perform well for pigs, but suspect many have succumed to a 357 pistol. One of the poorest choice of caliber for anything over 50 yards to my thinking.....

I suspect a 357 carbine length gun looses at least 400 fps to a 35 remington, which to me is a bunch. no real background to say a 357 is not enough energy, but the poster wants 30-30 equivalent, and a 357 is not even close IMHO.

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Of course the question didn't say "What else besides a .30-30 or .35 Remington should I get?" - but some of us gots wax and bullet-lube in our ears.

Anyway, I think there were some really good answers, and of course since we're all 'enablers' - we let him know that whatever he gets, it will likely do the job. (...and if he's like some of us, whatever one he gets, next year he'll get the other so's he can have BOTH... :wink: )
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If you're mainly after deer, with a few pigs thrown in, get the 30/30. With that you can never go wrong. I use mostly 170 gr Remington CoreLokts and out to 150 yds it's a slayer of both. My $.02, hope it helps. Tom
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Marlin 1894 .357 mag. (POP-GUN) :roll:

Yep you'd best get him that 45-70 and be sure to get some of GARRETT's Hammerhead Ammo!

Why I am sure that little pop-gun would never take a hog or black bear! :wink:

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LOL

Yes, any choice in caliber is a good start, and for sure a start to bigger and better/ other guns.

LOL, Savings in ammo? About 2c per round less for powder and .03 c less on brass? Same bullets, same primer, not sure how much cheaper a 357 is when you need 2 rounds to do what one 30-30 or 35 rem can do......lol :lol:

I guess SOME people don't reload.....I for one spend too much time in the reloading room and not on the range/ woods. I wish I lived where deer tags come by the half dozen, and you at least see ONE legal deer in a season... to "range test" small versus large gun reaction. Y'all have more expereince killing stuff in 3 years thatn most west coasters do in a lifetime.... experience trumps all else IMHO, and I bow to those who have more opportunity and knowledge.

BTW- you pee the bear
off with your 357, and I'll save both our bacon with my 358 winchester BLR.....lol

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hemiallen wrote:LOL

Yes, any choice in caliber is a good start, and for sure a start to bigger and better/ other guns.

LOL, Savings in ammo? About 2c per round less for powder and .03 c less on brass? Same bullets, same primer, not sure how much cheaper a 357 is when you need 2 rounds to do what one 30-30 or 35 rem can do......lol :lol:

I guess SOME people don't reload.....I for one spend too much time in the reloading room and not on the range/ woods. I wish I lived where deer tags come by the half dozen, and you at least see ONE legal deer in a season... to "range test" small versus large gun reaction. Y'all have more expereince killing stuff in 3 years thatn most west coasters do in a lifetime.... experience trumps all else IMHO, and I bow to those who have more opportunity and knowledge.

BTW- you pee the bear
off with your 357, and I'll save both our bacon with my 358 winchester BLR.....lol

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Today's heavy 357 Mag loads have considerably more killing power than the old 50 Cal. Hawken muzzleloaders that pioneered the west.

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My first Marlin centerfire was a .35 Remington, and, as far as I'm concerned, it outperforms any of the four .30-30s I now have. There is just no substitute for a 200 grain slug at woods ranges. I'm a handloader, but I've tried the Lever Es in both .30-30 and .35 Remington, and I think they're terrific cartridges. If your rifle likes them, you can't go wrong with those cartridges, especially in the .35.
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Most modern gun writers would have us to believe that 170 grain flat nosed bullets bounce off big game animals.

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hemiallen wrote: It's all good
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t.r. wrote:Image

Most modern gun writers would have us to believe that 170 grain flat nosed bullets bounce off big game animals.

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Nice rifle, TR!

The elk isn't bad,either.. :)

I just got my Guns&Ammo in the mail, and on page 8 there is a pic
of a Marlin 336 in 35 Remington, cut barrel, scoutscope, and butt cuff.
On page 10 there is a letter about such a rig (I assume it is about the same
rifle, but the magazineis not explicitly clear), and the owner claims it is
just the ticket at woods ranges for hog and deer. It certainly looks the
business! I couldn't find a pic online, or I would have provided a link
to it here.

Loaded to it's full potential, I can't imagine that a hog or whitetail would
notice the difference a short barrel would make in 35 Rem.

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Re: 30-30 or 35 Remington

Post by dbateman »

my vote is for 30-30 only because thats what iv got and its a grate round
Dave Bateman .


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